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About Tom Koulopoulos and two Synthetic AI Cohosts

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Welcome back to Foresight Radio, where we dive deep into the technologies shaping our world and explore how they’re redefining the way we work, live, and lead. I’m Tom Koulopoulos, and today we’re going to take a deep dive into what has been termed by many as the new cold war - fueled by the race for nation-state AI dominance. However, we’re taking a somewhat different approach to our podcast by inviting Google’s NotebookLM to join us and take the lead in the narrative. Notebook LM is a pretty amazing and unique application of LLM AI which not only parses and understands a body of text that you feed it, for example an article or a book, but then goes on to carry out a conversation on the topic with two synthetic AI podcasters who engage in a back-and-forth discussion with natural banter, interruptions, and even casual asides like “uh-huh” or “wow.” As you’ll see, this isn’t a monotone text-to-speech readout—it mimics the cadence and rapport of a real humans interacting with each other, complete with enthusiasm and personality. … dare i say with some serious chemistry between the podcasters. Because of the way the two synthetic podcasters interact, some people have confused NotebookLM with a category of AI called GANs or Generative Adversarial Networks. These are AI models where one component of the AI challenges the other using synthetic data (such as false images) in order to improve the quality of the final output of the AI. For example, imagine that you’re in a conversation with someone and you keep poking and prodding to improve the quality of the facts they are presenting. Notebook LM is not adversarial in the GAN sense, but it’s adversarial in spirit—two hosts debating and dissecting your content to make it much more engaging. The category of AI that NotebookLM fans under is called RAG, Retrieval-Augmented Generation. It’s a subcategory where AI grounds its responses in specific, user-provided data rather than a general corpus. The “retrieval” part is pulling info from your uploads, and the “generation” is crafting the podcast. This keeps it focused and factual, relative to the source, distinguishing it from freewheeling chatbots. The dual-host twist also adds a creative layer to RAG, making it more than just a Q&A tool. But we will take it one step further to use NotebookLM’s interactive capability, which is in beta, that lets us join in on the conversation with the synthetic podcasters as a call-in listener might do on a talk show. For this episode I trained NotebookLM on an article I wrote on the new cold war with my co-author of Gigatrends, Nathaniel Palmer . We’ll start with NotebookLM and I’ll jump in periodically to ask questions and see how well the podcasters can synthesize the information in the article to provide engaging and relevant responses. Here we go… Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.00.00] Welcome back everyone ready to dive into another complex topic? Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.00.03] Definitely always up for a Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.00.04] challenge right? So today we're going to be examining the potential for a new Cold War. But this time not one focused on military might but on artificial intelligence interest. Yeah, I it's, uh, was a pretty complex topic, as you can imagine. It is. And to guide us through this deep dive, we have excerpts from From Arms to Algorithms is AI The Next Cold War by, uh, Thomas Cupples and Nathaniel Palmer? Okay. So one of the things that immediately grabbed my attention in this article was the way the authors describe AI as a new kind of battle way. Um, not a physical one, of course, but, uh, but the digital landscape where nations are competing for technological dominance. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.00.43] Yeah. The authors make a really compelling case for that. They argue that the real battle isn't going to be fought with tanks and missiles, but with algorithms and Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.00.50] data. Right. Exactly. And speaking of data, one of the most striking analogies in the article is the comparison of data to oil. They call it the new oil of the 21st century. Yeah, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.01.00] that's a powerful image. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.01.01] It is. Can you unpack that a little bit Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.01.03] for us? Well, you know how oil has been this incredibly valuable resource shaping global politics for over a century. Control over oil reserves, distribution networks. It all translates into immense economic and political Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.01.16] power. Right? It's been a source of conflict and cooperation, alliances and rivalries. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.01.21] Exactly. Now imagine that same dynamic, but with data. Whoever controls the flow and processing of data, especially through AI, potentially holds the keys to influencing everything from financial markets or health care systems, to public opinion to Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.01.35] sobering thought. Oh hey, I Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.01.37] think I listener's got something to say. Tom Koulopoulos (live - not AI) [00.01.39] Hey, that's a very insightful comment about data being the new oil. But one of the things that strikes me is that there's a difference here. Oil was a commodity. You know, one gallon of gasoline that I had, I would trade for a gallon of gas that you had. But data is not a commodity. Data is very personalized to the individual or the organization, the nation. How does that play into this role of data being the fuel for this new Cold Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.02.04] War? That's a fantastic point. What's fascinating here is that the value isn't in the individual data points themselves, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.02.11] right? It's in the aggregate. It's in the ability to collect, analyze and interpret massive datasets to identify patterns, predict trends, and ultimately gain an advantage. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.02.20] Exactly. And that advantage can be economic, political, or even military. Think about targeted advertising. It relies on collecting and analyzing data about individual preferences to influence consumer behavior, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.02.31] or consider how governments might use data to monitor populations, predict social unrest, or even wage cyber warfare. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.02.38] And that's where the Cold War aspect really comes into play. It's not just about who has the most data, but who has the best algorithms and infrastructure to process that data and extract meaningful insights. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.02.49] So it's not about barrels of oil, but about the sophistication of the refineries and the pipelines and the distribution networks, precisely Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.02.56] the ability to refine raw data into actionable intelligence. That's the. Real source of power in this new landscape. And as we'll see, that raises all sorts of concerns about global fragmentation and the potential for incompatible AI Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.03.08] systems. So essentially, the concern is that instead of one interconnected digital world, we end up with, uh, with multiple incompatible systems, standards, even different values embedded in these technologies. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.03.20] And the article goes on to highlight this really interesting example, deep seek R1. It's a Chinese open source large language model designed to be cost effective and aligned with national Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.03.31] objective. I was fascinated by that. It seems to point to a fundamental difference in approach between, uh, between the West and China when it comes to AI development. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.03.39] Definitely. While the West often prioritizes innovation, open source collaboration, and, you know, at least in theory, ethical considerations, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.03.48] China seems to have a much more, uh, strategic focus prioritizing national goals and control. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.03.54] Yeah. And that raises a crucial question will AI and not only fragment us technologically, but also reflect and amplify these different values and priorities of the nations that created it. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.04.05] It's like we're not just talking about different gadgets or software, but about different versions of the future being shaped by these technologies. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.04.11] Exactly. And that. Oh yeah, let's hear it. Tom Koulopoulos (live - not AI) [00.04.14] So fascinating conversation. However. One of the things that strikes me is that the Cold War was fought on national ideologies. We're talking about a Cold War here that really, at the end of the day, is coming down to large technology players who are defining the rules of the game, and they're not driven by ideology, necessarily, the way that nations were with the Cold War of the 60s and 70s. How does that play into this conversation? Because Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.04.44] deep sea. That's a really insightful question. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.04.46] This raises an important question about, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.04.49] okay, let's unpack this. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.04.50] What's fascinating here is the shift in power dynamics. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.04.53] Yeah. In the classic Cold War, nations were the primary Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.04.57] driven by ideologies and geopolitical ambitions. It's a very insightful observation. What's fascinating here is how the nature of power has Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.05.05] evolved. Yeah, it's not just about governments and ideologies anymore. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.05.08] Exactly. Now we're talking about these massive tech companies wielding incredible influence. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.05.13] They control the platforms, the data and the algorithms. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.05.16] And to your point, their motivations aren't always ideological. They are driven by market share, innovation and profit. So Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.05.23] how does that change the dynamics of this potential AI Cold War? But now we're seeing these huge tech corporations wielding incredible Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.05.31] influence. There are the ways developing the AI technologies, controlling the data and setting the standards. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.05.36] So how do their motivations factor into this new Cold War scenario? Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.05.40] Well, you're right, they're not necessarily driven by ideology in the same way as nations were. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.05.44] Their primary goal is often profit or market share, but Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.05.47] their decisions still have huge implications for society and geopolitics. Well, it becomes a much more complex game. These companies, they aren't necessarily bound by national borders or traditional alliances, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.05.59] so their interest might. May not always align perfectly with those of their own countries. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.06.02] Precisely. And that creates opportunities for collaboration across borders, but also potential conflicts of interest. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.06.09] It's almost like we're entering a new era of geopolitics, where these tech giants are major players alongside nation states. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.06.16] Exactly. And that raises all sorts of questions about accountability, regulation and how we ensure these powerful entities are acting in the best interests of Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.06.24] society. It's not just about treaties regulating weapons, but maybe about some international body regulating these tech companies. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.06.31] The fascinating point to Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.06.32] consider this makes the idea of AI arms control treaties even more complicated. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.06.37] Yeah, treaties, nonproliferation agreements all aimed at preventing catastrophic consequences. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.06.42] But with AI, we're only just beginning to grapple with those questions of Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.06.46] control and also oversight and accountability. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.06.49] And the stakes seem even higher. Oh, yeah. Let's hear it. Tom Koulopoulos (live - not AI) [00.06.51] Yeah. So along these lines, we're talking about governance when it comes to AI. One way to provide governance is through regulation, but the reality is that AI is moving much too fast for any regulatory body to really keep on top of it. The reality is that we can't legislate quickly enough to deal with AI. So is the answer. Having AI governance itself? And what will that look like? Will the AI in the US somehow provide governance that's different from the AI in China, and will that differ from some other part of the world? Is it possible to have one set of governance structures when you have such conflicting interests across the world when it comes to developing AI? Wow, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.07.37] that's a really thought provoking question. It's Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.07.39] an excellent point about the speed of AI development. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.07.42] So regulation struggling to keep pace. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.07.44] What's fascinating here is the idea of AI governing itself, almost Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.07.49] like embedding ethical principles directly into the AI. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.07.52] But then that raises all sorts of questions about whose values are Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.07.54] embedded and who gets to decide Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.07.56] exactly. Will we end up with competing AI governance systems, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.07.59] reflecting the different values and priorities of different regions. The Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.08.03] AI in the US might prioritize individual rights and freedoms, while Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.08.07] the I and China might emphasize social harmony and stability. And is Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.08.10] it even possible to have a single universal set of governance structures Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.08.15] when there are such fundamental disagreements about values? Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.08.18] Maybe the answer lies in a multi-layered approach Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.08.20] where some aspects of AI governance are handled globally, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.08.23] while others are left to individual nations or regions. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.08.26] But that also requires a certain degree of trust and cooperation, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.08.30] which, as we've been discussing, is far from guaranteed. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.08.33] It's a bit like the Wild West right now, isn't it? It Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.08.35] is. And that's why it's so important to start these Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.08.37] conversations. One thing the article mentions is global agreements, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.08.40] global agreements governing AI development and deployment, but it Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.08.43] also speaks about countries collaborating and what Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.08.47] ethical frameworks I should use. Hey yeah. What's Tom Koulopoulos (live - not AI) [00.08.50] up? So are there actually some global policies or regulations in place or in a formative stage that will. Provide the sort of governance you were just talking about. That's Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.02] a great question. Here's where it Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.03] gets really interesting. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.05] There are definitely initiatives underway. The article touches on a couple the OECD's AI principles, for Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.10] example. Those are intended to guide responsible Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.13] AI. And Unesco has an AI ethics framework. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.16] These are steps in the right direction, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.17] but they are more like guidelines, not binding laws. So they Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.20] might lack teeth in some way. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.22] Exactly. And that raises a key question Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.24] can we rely on voluntary measures alone, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.26] or do we need more formal Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.27] regulations, something with actual enforcement Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.30] mechanisms? And the challenge, as you pointed out, is speed. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.33] How do you regulate something evolving so rapidly, how to keep Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.36] up while fostering innovation? Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.38] Striking that balance is incredibly difficult. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.41] One approach is to focus on specific Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.42] applications regulating high risk uses of AI. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.45] First, areas like healthcare and finance Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.47] where the potential for harm is greatest. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.49] Another idea is regulatory sandboxes Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.52] creating safe spaces for AI development, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.54] testing new technologies in a controlled environment Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.09.56] before they're widely deployed. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.09.58] The EU is working on Comprehensive AI Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.00] legislation, it aims to set global standards. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.03] We'll have to see how that plays out. It Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.04] faces a lot of pushback, too. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.06] And what about international cooperation? What Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.08] you were asking about a little while back, can countries agree on common AI standards? It's a tough question, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.13] but the alternative, as we've discussed, is bleak Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.16] a world of fragmented, incompatible AI systems. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.19] So while there aren't fully formed global Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.22] policies, there's definitely a movement in that direction and Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.24] the conversation is gaining momentum, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.26] creating ethical and trusted. I should be a key aspect. So Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.29] the West setting radical standards and transparency, but Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.32] also investing in cybersecurity is critical Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.35] and recognizing how some problems demand Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.37] collaboration. Ultimately, navigating this needs strong leadership. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.40] And we can't forget how Stem education plays a Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.43] role. So will I unite or divide Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.10.45] humanity? Those are some considerations along these lines. Think about this. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.10.49] Oh, go for it. Tom Koulopoulos (live - not AI) [00.10.50] It seems to me that we're at a bit of a crossroads here, aren't we? We're in these formative early days of AI. We can make some decisions around transparency and the potential benefit that AI has. If we collaborate over the downside that it would have in becoming more of a divisive force in the world, something we didn't do in the Cold War with nuclear weapons, where we were not at all transparent. And that led to enormous escalation. What are your thoughts on that? I Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.11.22] think that's a really powerful analogy to the Cold Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.11.24] War. This connects back to earlier concerns about an arms Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.11.27] race. Yeah, where the pursuit of technological superiority can Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.11.30] overshadow ethical considerations. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.11.33] Transparency is key at a really great Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.11.34] point, because without it, we risk repeating history. The Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.11.37] potential for escalation, for mistrust is massive. And Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.11.40] that brings us to the idea of collaboration. If Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.11.43] countries work together on AI, they can avoid Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.11.45] pitfalls. We're more likely to develop AI that benefits everyone. It's Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.11.49] about finding common ground building trust. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.11.51] But as we said, there will be some hurdles Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.11.53] now that we've really tackled that question. What's Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.11.55] next? The article brings up the Stargate Project. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.11.58] It's a massive joint venture between open. And others. It exemplifies Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.01] this blurring of private sector and national Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.03] strategy. These companies are working together to advance AI, but Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.07] their interests may not always align with any one nation. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.10] So it's a much more complex landscape than the old Cold War. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.13] We need to consider the motivations of these tech Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.16] giants. We need to consider how they interact with Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.18] governments and also international organizations. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.20] It's a multipolar world, which may be a good thing. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.23] Power is distributed among many different actors. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.25] The authors warned that the urgency to deploy AI may lead Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.29] to compromising privacy in the process. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.31] It's a sobering thought, this rush for dominance, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.34] and it bypasses ethics, just as you mentioned, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.36] especially when AI is no longer just a tool. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.38] We're not just talking about preventing nuclear war, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.41] but about shaping our societies in our lives. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.43] AI has the potential to be far more pervasive, in Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.46] fact. So we're facing a unique set of challenges with Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.49] AI requiring us to think differently about its role. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.51] And speaking of unique challenges, here's another one. One of the Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.53] biggest challenges is resources poured into AI. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.12.57] The article talks about the opportunity cost to think Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.12.59] about all the brilliant minds focused on this competition Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.02] instead of addressing the most pressing issues like climate change, like Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.06] global inequality, things we've been discussing, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.08] it makes you wonder if we're putting our best foot Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.10] forward. The author suggests that this could become a zero sum game Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.14] instead of progress. We risk weaponizing advancements. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.17] And as we've discussed, that's a major cause for concern. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.20] Not only do we risk a weaponized advancement, what about ethics? Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.23] We must discuss transparency and accountability Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.26] in the pursuit of being the first. We create unchecked systems. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.29] That's the worry. AI driven surveillance. As an example, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.32] these systems could become increasingly intrusive, eroding individual freedoms under the guise of security. It's a slippery slope, isn't Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.39] it? It is. That is why these ethical considerations matter. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.42] So it seems we're facing this daunting set of challenges, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.45] the potential for an AI arms race that's consuming resources, and Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.49] this risk of sacrificing those ethical principles. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.51] The authors do suggest some ways forward, though. One Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.13.54] of the most promising ideas is global agreements like Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.13.57] arms control treaties, but regulating algorithms Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.00] precisely setting a framework for AI development. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.14.02] Establishing norms, standards and safeguards like a Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.05] kind of rules of the road for the AI Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.14.07] age. The article mentions the OECD's AI principles. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.10] Those are the starting points for Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.14.11] sure, but we need to go further address its societal impact. Those Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.15] agreements they would have to cover ground Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.14.17] data sovereignty would be key. As you noted earlier, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.19] ensuring individuals have control over their data. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.14.22] We need transparency, explainability in AI systems. We can't Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.25] just trust black boxes to make Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.14.27] decisions. We need mechanisms for international cooperation Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.30] so that we can move away from competition with one Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.14.32] another. Recognizing the potential for AI to do a lot of good. Yep. Go Tom Koulopoulos (live - not AI) [00.14.37] on. So we had a great conversation. I really enjoyed your analysis, but could you bring it all home and give us a very simple take away from what is a very complex problem that's going to have a long road ahead of it? What's the simple takeaway that's hopeful that we can keep in mind as we move forward? Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.54] Absolutely. That's a great question to keep in mind Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.14.56] if we connect this to the bigger Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.14.58] picture, the simplest, most hopeful. Takeaway I see is this the the Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.01] future of AI is not predetermined. Yeah, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.04] it's not set in stone. It's Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.05] something that we actively shape through our choices, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.08] whether to prioritize competition or collaboration. And Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.12] that's up to every single one of us. So Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.14] what does this all mean? That we Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.16] have agency in the matter. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.17] So we need to choose wisely. Uh, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.20] now with that in mind, we need to be cooperative. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.22] The authors even suggest US China cooperation. That Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.25] collaboration could yield pretty tangible benefits, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.28] all while fostering a spirit that's more Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.30] cooperative. Realistically, there are some pretty big geopolitical hurdles there are, and leadership is what it all comes down to. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.37] Leaders who understand AI, who can build bridges. That Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.40] brings us back to the importance of education. We Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.42] need to be investing in Stem education Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.44] and supporting a society equipped to have thoughtful discussions. The Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.47] article ends on a note of cautious optimism. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.50] We have the knowledge, the tools, the capacity. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.15.53] It's a powerful reminder that we're not bystanders. The future isn't predetermined. It's something we create. We create together. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.15.59] Now we can discuss the Stargate Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.00] project. It shows the potential for initiatives that can advance us. But again, Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.05] it also raises questions about ethics, too, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.07] just as we were discussing earlier. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.08] So we need more Stargate projects, but with mechanisms. Also, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.12] we can't forget about preparing our workforce to Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.14] the potential for job displacement is a very real concern. It's Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.18] a serious issue to keep in mind. The Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.19] article stresses investing in education and training, Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.23] adaptability, critical thinking, working alongside AI to make Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.27] sure the benefits of AI are distributed equitably. To Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.30] do that, we need education, job training and collaboration Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.33] in the spirit of that cooperation, what's our takeaway? The Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.36] author suggests that we have a choice to make here. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.38] Do you let AI divide us or unite us as one human race? Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.42] It's a question we've grappled with many times Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.44] before nuclear weapons, the space race and the Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.47] internet. They all presented both opportunities and also risks. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.50] And our engagement shaped what kind of impact Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.52] they had. With AI, though the stakes are really even higher. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.16.56] As we said, it can reshape our Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.16.57] world. This deep dive has really been a journey for us all, and Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.17.00] we have to remember to move forward in a good way. Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.17.03] The more informed we are, the better will be equipped. Synthetic AI Podcaster #2 [00.17.05] Thank you for joining us on this really deep Synthetic AI Podcaster #1 [00.17.07] dive. And again, thank you for that very insightful question. 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Now try to imagine where that might lead us in just the next 5 years. We are clearly at the threshold of an incredible era of innovation and discovery. Thanks for listening! If you’re enjoying Foresight Radio, be sure to subscribe and share it with friends and colleagues. The best way to navigate the future is to keep asking questions, embracing change, and seeking out new perspectives. Until next time, I’m Tom Koulopoulos—stay curious.